In these challenging times, who holds the powerful to account? Are the standards of our political leaders slipping as we grapple with the COVID crisis? Also, how do we achieve a more ethical Australia? Could we embed ethics into all levels of society? Joining Hamish Macdonald on the panel to discuss these topics are: Ken Henry, Former Treasury Secretary; Dave Sharma, Liberal Member for Wentworth; Tanya Plibersek, Shadow Minister for Education; Simon Longstaff, Executive Director, The Ethics Centre; and Dani Larkin, Lawyer, Uluru Dialogue Leadership Group.