As life opens up for much of Australia, the two most populated states are battling to contain a growing number of COVID cases. Victoria is now cut off from all states, with several areas in complete lockdown, AFL teams are fleeing north and businesses facing loss upon loss. The Government says more financial help is on the way, but how long can the country afford this stop-start scenario? Joining Hamish to discuss this are: Sarah Henderson, Liberal Senator for Victoria; Adam Bandt, Leader of the Australian Greens; Margy Osmond, CEO of the Tourism and Transport Forum; Jodie McVernon, Epidemiologist, Doherty Institute; and L-FRESH the LION, Hip Hop artist from south-west Sydney. Also includes a live cross to Michael Gunner, Chief Minister of the Northern Territory.